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developing story as well as the agency's role in the bridgegate scandal, tonight "the star ledger" published this editorial calling on david samson to resi resign. so far chris christie seems happy to keep him in the post. he says he's quite confident that david samson did nothing wrong, but the largest paper in new jersey tonight says he's got to go. stay tuned. now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. there is a new trial date for the jordan davis murder case and another juror is now talking about what happened in that jury room. >> the victim was a 17-year-old teenager that should have had his whole life in front of him. that's the victim. >> i believe prosecutors and the sheriff's association are in favor of the former laws. >> the former state attorney said she wuld retry the case. >> we do believe there should be a duty to retreat. >> he had no duty to retreat. >> it was part of closing argue mgts. it was part of the jury instructions. >> we opening wounds surrounding
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florida's stand your ground law. >> something that's become sort of a matter of confusion over this case. >> we do believe there should be a duty to retreat. >> you didn't think michael dunn had to kilg jordan davl jordan ? >> i don't think so. >> stand your ground is part of the consciousness in florida and the other stand your ground states. >> even if we don't ever receive the verdict for jordan, he will still pay because he will spend the rest of his life in jail. and i feel sorry for him for that. today, prosecutors announced that michael dunn will be retried for the first degree murder of jordan davis in may. and today, we heard from a second member of the jury, juror number eight, a 21-year-old who says she thinks michael dunn is a good guy, but she also thinks he is guilty of murder. >> i honestly think he was a
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good guy. i think he is a good guy. i don't think he hates everybody. i don't think he wants around wanting to shoot everybody. i think that he made a bad decision. >> the first juror to speak, juror number four, known only as valerie says race was not a factor in their deliberations. >> for a lot of folk in america, they would say white man shoots and kills a 17-year-old black boy. how could it not be about race on some level? >> sitting in that room, it was never presented that way. we looked at it as a bad situation where teenagers were together and words were spoken. and lines were crossed. >> and here's what juror number eight said about race. >> i just want everybody to understand that everybody is making this a white and black thing. and it's not. in our decision-making process,
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nobody brought up not one race. never. it was never brought up. i never once thought about, oh, this was a black kid, this was a white guy. because that wasn't the case. >> so people who say, you know, here's another white guy who got away with shooting and killing a black kid. what would you tell them? >> i would tell them that they real really should knowledge themselves on the law. >> here's how both jurors described the scene inside that deliberation room. >> there are reports there was yelling heard coming from the deliberation room. >> and there was. >> what was that about? >> you did some of the yelling? >> yes, yes. at one point we were all trying to get our point across. >> scream? >> oh, yes, sir. >> pro-fan tai? >> oh, yes, sir. >> people were passionate about their position? >> oh, yes, sir. >> what was it like in that deliberation room? >> it was wild. >> wild as? >> it was shouting. a lot of yelling. >> both jurors believed michael dunn is guilty of mur, but for
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different reasons. >> when you went to the deliberating room, you thought michael dunn was guilty. >> yes, sir. >> of killing a 17-year-old boy. >> yes, sir. >> what convinced you of that? >> to me it was unnecessary. >> you didn't think michael dunn had to kill jordan davis? >> i don't believe so. >> i really think he's guilty of murder, but not guilty as charged. >> first degree, you don't think he's guilty of first degree? >> i think he was guilty of second degree. i was honestly convinced that he was in self-defense until he chased the car down and starting shooting more. that's where my decision making process comes. well, even if initially you didn't have an opportunity to take yourself out of the situation, to stop running behind the car and shooting more, that's where you completely pushed your limit. >> last night on this program, we heard michael dunn say that he is the victim in this case.
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>> i was thinking about this today and i was like, i'm the victim here. i was the one that was being preyed upon and i fought back. >> one question suggested by the audience last night on this program to jordan davis' parents was what would you want to say to michael dunn if you had the chance. >> i've thought many, many times before this if i ever got the opportunity to speak to him, what would i say. and what i would say to him is that not only did you take jordan's life but you took my future. i won't have grandchildren. i will never have a daughter-in-law. i will never have all of those things that you see in your
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children as your legacy. i don't have those things anymore. but what he -- what he'll need to understand is that in some way, shape or form, he will pay. he will pay. even if we don't ever receive the verdict for jordan, he will pay because he's going to spend the rest of his life in jail. and i feel sorry for him for that. >> joining me now, washington post columnist and msnbc contributor eugene robinson and mark thompson, host of "make it plain" on sirius xm radio. eugene, there's a lot to react to there. and the new revelations from jurors, and in the last 24 hours, what parents have been saying. just your thoughts, gene? >> well, you know, this is another one of those heart breaking situations. and if you stand back from that case, you can say that the parents of jordan davis at least got a measure of justice in this
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trial. i don't understand what the jurors are saying exactly. i mean, two jurors, their accounts don't really jibe with each other except that there's a lot of yelling. and i frankly don't understand that there was no thought even of race in that jury room, given the obvious context. and one wonders kind of what world these people were living in. i'm just tired of this. i'm tired of funerals and trial, lawrence. you know, i want this not to happen. and i want us to at some point focus on that and not focus on the grinding wheels of justice, which sometimes work and sometimes don't, but they don't even come into play until it's too late. until assumptions have been made like the ones michael dunn made that day. and shots are fired and a mother
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is crying over another casket. >> mark thompson, you've been following this case on a daily basis on your radio show. to both of you tonight, please feel free to ignore my questions and make whatever points you feel compelled to make. mark, i especially want to hear what your reaction is to what we've been hearing over the last day from both now two jurors speaking and now the parents. if the jurors are saying that race was not a factor in their decision of guilt or innocence, i can probably by that, you know. that really shouldn't enter into the decision making. but i'm not sure they're denying that now, that this case was somehow racially charged or racially motivated. the jurors did not, i don't think had the benefit of the letters we saw, the phone calls we heard from michael dunn. i do think that michael dunn saw a group of young black men and
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assumed again existentially that they had guns. black men just have guns automatically. listen to loud rap music. and that is where he imagined this threat. so i do think that the race was there, race was a factor in his decision making and in this tragedy. i don't know how anyone could have watched your show last night, lawrence, and not have had their hearts broken to use gene's words. to hear a mother describe the loss of her own future. this is ridiculous and senseless. and we've got to do something about it. again, this culture that exists in florida around stand your ground. see, sthoez very words almost, you know, justify some of these self-defense trials. as i said the other day, if it was truly a stand your ground
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case, there wouldn't have been a jury. they would have presented it to a judge and the judge would have declared a stand your ground case. impeachment don't understand what premadation means. they think you have to plan something two or three weeks in advance. we really need to educate more people on what premeditation means, number one, and also that, you know, if there is a jury trial in a self-defense case, that means the stand your ground may not have been truly applicable. because if it was, the judge would have granted it in the first place. i think it's necessary all the way around for jurors picked for these cases to be more inform 37d and even f ed. and that law and language can be done away with so there could be more objectivity. >> the prosecutors said today that she wants to get rid of the
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stand your ground law. she blames the verdict, the hung jury portion of the verdict on the stand your ground language that is inside all of judges jury instructions on self-defense in florida. and eugene, it's in there whether they are pleading a stand your ground case or not. . >> exactly. exactly. so this is a huge boon to the defense in these cases. because they don't have to rigorously prove that it's a stand your ground law. they get the benefits of a law anyhow, because it's in the jury instructions. and, you know, the last thing the jury hears before they go in the jury room is language straight from the stand your ground law. and florida's law is written so incredibly broadly that it basically gives you license to use deadly force if you have any belief that your threatened. you know, again, mr. dunn claimed that he thought he saw a shotgun.
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or he claims he saw one. nobody ever found any shotgun. because there wasn't one there. but if, you know, a jury could say, well, gee, he thought he saw a gun and therefore he felt threatened and therefore we have to acquit him. apparently, several jurors did follow that logic, which isn't the way the law is supposed to work according to florida authors. but it's the way it's working. >> well, i think we heard that jury confusion in juror number eight tonight when she said if you don't understand how we came out this way, you need to educate yourself on the law. i think what she's talking there is you have to listen to what we listened to from that judge. before we go, i just want to play one thing ron davis said when we presented him the audiotape of michael dunn claiming to be the victim in this. let's look at this. >> michael dunn should understand that the victim was the one that had a bullet go
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through his lungs. a bullet tear his aorta. the victim is the one that was choking on his own blood and was gasping for air. the victim was a 17-year-old teenager that should have had his whole life in front of him. that was seeing his life go away in seconds. and he probably was so fearful and his friends were looking on, watching their best friend die in a moment of seconds. that's the victim. >> gentlemen, we're out of time for the segment tonight. thank you both for joining me tonight. >> thank you. >> ukraine police continue to kill protesters. and today, chris christie blamed all the problems with hurricane sandy said in new jersey on someone else. naen "the rewrite" tonight, vladimir putin pussy riot and edward snowden. "the rewrite" tr
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dozens of police officers and were seen marching them into the occupied city hall. more than 100 people have been killed this week. foreign ministers from france, germany and poland. three european countries met with ukrainian president for five hours as the european union approved sanctions, a freeze on assets and travel been as. bans. late today, vice president joe biden called the ukrainian president. the white house released this readout of the conversation. the vice president made clear that the united states is prepared to sanction those officials responsible for the violence. the vice president encouraged president yanukovych to take
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tangible steps for a path forward. and a 28-year-old ukrainian skier announced she's withdrawing from olympic competition because of the government-led violence. she will not race for her country in the slalom tomorrow. and she said she wants to return home and join the protesters. she gave an interview to the associated press in english and russian. she said this. >> when i heard this information, i not sleeping the whole night. i said i cannot do this. it's crazy when the president just kill the citizens of country. when it's olympic games, when it's peace on all the world, and we have almost war. it's like, it's crazy. [ speaking foreign language ]
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>> joining me now, steve clemens an msnbc contributor. what we just heard her say in russian was, quote, as a minimum, the ukrainian president has to be jailed for a long time for all the lives that he has taken, for all the lives of innocent people that came peacefully to stand for their opinion. this is as dire as we could imagine up there, steven. it's getting worse. >> well, i mean, you have to imagine that there's another ukrainian president in jail right now, a woman, who was jailed for certain corruption charges and extending her authority. and if nanukovych doesn't do that, i think what she said is
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going to reenvig rate the aspirati aspirations. she's also a young person. she did not grow up with memories of the soviet union. she's grown up in a relatively free place, making hard choices, but nonetheless, to see her nation go back into something that looked like, you know, a potentially, this sort of stalinist arcanist is something they're willing to put themselves on the line for. >> is there a generational difference to the reaction to this sbags in ukraine. and those who did not grow up under totalitarianism are reacting differently? >> i think it's hard to say scientifically, but subjectively, i have friends over there. and when you see 20 and 30-year-old people over there, they have no memory of how awful the previous era was. they -- many people in that nation aspire to a kind of democracy and civil society that
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europe has had. which they thought russia was on the track for until we've seen some of the roleback inside russia. so this rolling back in this kind of closure of the space for civil society that yanukovych flirted with and imposed and stepped back from awoke inside many people in kiev and across ukraine a real fear that they were looking at someone that was going to steal their democracy. steal what they thought they had earned. and i think the i don't think people who read about the past in history books are really out there. it's an organic, deep protest we're seeing unfold in kiev. it's not the kind of protest waiting for john kerry or president obama to roll in. they're doing this on their own. i think they want to have attention, but they're not waiting for red lines to be crossed. they're fighting right now with their lives and their futures. >> steve, i think for a lot of people in this country, there's not that much surprise that
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there's a soviet-style crackdown going on. it's backed by putin. but what is the surprise level do you think in the ukraine that they are living through this? >> i think it is enormous because they' seen significant economic development. but also remember, in 2008-2009, russia imposed a natural gas boycott and really shocked that country. and at various points when president yushenko was president, there was a poisoning of him that was never really figured out, but there was concerns perhaps he was poisoned by the opposition or perhaps by russians at that point. so this is a country who after real democrats came back to move into a pro-civil society posture are seeing some of this rollback, i believe many of the ukrainians i've talked to have felt in their bones that ukraine can never go back to the dark
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ages of being dominated in a soviet-like era. that said, the ukrainian people were not ready to join nato. they're not ready to join wholesale into europe. they need to henl, they need to create space that allow themselves to be engaged both in russia and not europe and not have a zesooezero sum contest b both sides. >> thanks for joining us again tonight. >> thanks, lawrence. chris christie ran for reelection on the way he handled the aftermath of hurricane sandy. in the town hall meeting he was in today in new jersey, he absolutely would not be able to run on hurricane sandy today. that's next. ork... including unlimited talk... unlimited text... and 10 gigs of data to share. 10 gigs? 10 gigs. all for $160 dollars a month. you know, i think our family really needed this. it's really gonna bring us closer together. yep. yep. yep. yep. yep. [ family ] yep. [ male announcer ] introducing our best-ever family pricing.
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in the spotlight tonight, chris christie's town hall. >> there should be a new f-word in there. fema is the new f-word. >> if you had told me that 16 months ago, that 16 months later i would still be spending 40% of many i time as governor on sandy related issue, i would have never believed it. if the checkbook was purely at my disposal and i could review your papers personally and not have the federal government involved, you would probably be home already. we're trying to do this in a way that gets it out to people as quickly and efficiently as possible. don't take my word for it. the secretary of housing -- >> i won't.
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>> i know you won't. i'm not the king of new jersey. i'm just the governor. the fact is i can't wave a magic wand and make this happen. if we had people who are not confident or qualified to do the job they need to be removed. >> would you please destroy all your bruce springsteen cd's. ♪ standing cheek to cheek ♪ and man i've really got to take a leak ♪ ♪ but i can't i'm stuck in govr novr chris christie's ♪ new jersey traffic jam joining me now is msnbc political analyst and reporter for the huffington post and adam gord gordon, attorney for the fair share housing center. it was quite striking to me, sam, that chris christie kept
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blaming everyone else for delays in dealing with the feel's problems at the town hall today and claiming gee, you know, if i had control of the checkbook, if i just had control of the checkbook i would take care of you. he had enough control of the checkbook to send $6 million of sandy relief money to a building that was not touched, absolutely not touched by the hurricane. a senior center in belleville, new jersey. and every one of the problems the people in town hall had today were smaller than $6 million. all of their problems could have been dealt with with what we gave away in a situation where there was absolutely no hurricane damage at all that was being addressed. >> well, you know, this is the inherent balance that has to be struck when it comes to disaster relief. on the other hand, there is a legitimate concern that the money should get out fast and quickly and should go to those most intimately affected by the problem.
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on the other hand, there needs to be effective oversight over it. it can't just be passed around to people who don't need it. used for purposes that are maybe unethical or corrupt. chris crist tree to his credit badgered the federal government when it wasn't there handing the state of new jersey a check for the disaster relief. he got that money, but part of the process, part of what he has to deal with is go through this bureaucratic red tape and it's for a legitimate reason. >> there's a survey from monmouth university survey among hurricane sandy victims. satisfied with new jersey recovery efforts. 36% satisfied. 64% dissatisfied. adam gordon, based on that survey, chris christie would have a hard time running for re-election today on the basis of how he's handled sandy aid. >> that's really what we're hearing every day, people who call us and reach out to us. people feel like they're being
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disrespected by governor christie and his administration. when they see things like the $6 like you mentioned for belleville and other things that have come out like that, they feel like they're not being listened to and respected. we heard a lot of that today at town hall. >> there was more than one question that was challenging to christie and not exactly satisfied. we had one questioner get up and ask him about why he privatized so much of the aid function, including to a company called hgi, which had ties to the christie administration in which they later had to fire from that service. let's watch this exchange. >> why was hgi fired. why did you pay them $50 million and why did you privatize most -- why did you proivatize most of the grant program. you didn't have to do that.. >> i just disagree with you. okay? you say not to privatize it. the alternative is --
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>> answer the question. >> i'm answering the question. >> the alternative is to have hired thousands of additional government employees to be able to administer this -- we have a new company in place to run the program going forward. and the fact is that if we reach a point where we believe there's another company who can do the job better than the company that was initially brought in under the bid then we're going to make that change pip'm not going to hesitate to make a change. >> and sam, with typical christie slight of hand, he did not answer the question, why did you fire hgi, which is where the guy began. >> not to get too into the specifics here, the bigger problem is the macro problem. this was a perceived christie political strength, him standing there in his famous fleece, hugging the people affected by the storm, rallying the state around its recovery. even glad handing with president
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obama in the wake of this was all part of his political appeal. he was someone who could rescue his state struck by tragedy. gradually it's been eroded. it's not just through town halls like this or firing contractors or even giving $6 million worth of money that seemingly did need it. it cease the inherent difficulties in overseeing disaster aid. rand paul was criticizing christie well before this stuff happened. he was criticizing christie because he had run advertisements touting new jersey's recovery in which he himself was featured. conservatives were always skeptical of christie for this and now we're seeing local people be skeptical as well. >> christie may have awakened kind of a sleeping giant in this story. that's the governor of new york today who hasn't said a word about the situation on the george washington bridge. the other elements of the christie scandals. but christie today tried to say he is doing a better job with sandy relief than governor cuomo
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is in new york. >> well, that's not i think what most people in new jersey would think about it. new york hasn't had these mysterious firings of contractors. in fact, they set up a program from the start that relied more on working with local community groups, nonprofits, having more oversight from state government. and new york also has not had the kind of huge error rates that we're seeing in new jersey. 80% of people who appealed denials of funding in the first round of funding were found to actually be eligible. so the program was structured entirely erroneously from the start. we're not hearing these stories of gross incompetence and frankly anger on the ground to the same degree as we are in new jersey as new york. >> sam stein and adam gordon thanks for joining me. >> thanks, lawrence. >> coming up in "the rewrite." some very ugly video from
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>> that's right. putin's street enforcers didn't limit themselves to pepper spraying and whipping and punching the young women trying to sing a song. they also beat news photographers who were simply trying to record what was happening. such is the awesome respect the protector of edward snowden has for the rights of a free press. there are good and decent motivations for supporting edward snowden and vladimir putin has none of them. edward snowden speaks to the world whenever he is so moved. he did yesterday in this video praising chelsea manning. in that statement yesterday, edward snowden also, of course,
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criticized the government of the united states for its excessive use of secrecy and the australian government for the same thing. the women of pussy riot pulled those ski masks over their faces in anticipation of the pepper spray that they knew would be coming their way. here is more of what happened to these supremely brave women when they tried to sing a song at vladimir putin's olympics. [ screaming ]
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>> that's what happens to brave people in russia who speak out against the regime. none of that happened to edward snowden yesterday because he did what vladimir putin wants him to do -- speak out against the united states and australia.
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it must be so painful for edward snowden to be strapped in russia today and not be able to say a word about that country's human rights violation. he must have decided the ns a's collect collection of phone records and massive surveillance capabilities are a worse threat to human rights and an act of violation of human rights, worse than being beaten in the street for singing a song. these are decisions we all must make as committed citizens, what we will fight for and what we won't fight for. because none of us can fight every fight. we have to pick and choose and edward snow done has chosen. so he must watch as the women of pussy riot fight for freedom. you know he's on their side in this fight. he just can never say so.
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and you you know he must now regret saying this. >> these nations, including russia, venezuela, bolivia, nicaragua, ecuador have my gratitude and respect for being the first to stand against human rights violations carried out by the powerful rather than the powerless. >> my gratitude and respect for being the first to stand against human rights violations. that's what edward snowden said about russia. he said it before he was granted asylum in russia. he knows that vladimir putin's russian government deserves edward snowden's gratitude for protecting him but his snefr deserved respect. and he knows that the government does not stand against rue man rights violations.
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>> by refusing to compromising their principles in the face of intimidation, they earned the respect of the world. >> imagine if edward snowden tried to tell pussy riot that vladimir putin should have their gratitude and respect for being the first to stand against human rights violations. i think we know that edward snowden knows better now and will not be caught publicly expressing his respect for vladimir putin's russian government again. but nor will he be expressing his respect for pussy riot. they got the last word by turning it into a music video. ♪
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>>. >> he put a canvas bag over my head. are you happy now? he is trying to kill me. >> what are you talking about? >> the cast and crew of "american hustle" are happy now with the film being nominated for ten academy awards. david o'russell has two of those nominations. one for best director and one for best screenplay. here's some movie talk with my friend david o'russell. david, this is your annual visit to the show where we discus your latest nominated best picture nomination, best director nomination. it's an annual thing we do. and here you are again. when you were here last year on
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"silver linings playbook" you were shooting this movie, weren't you? >> we were preparing to shoot it. we were doing wardrobe tests and makeup tests for christian bale, jennifer lawrence, bradley cooper and amy adams. >> you have now developed a recurring cast. there's a tv series feel to this. and i would imagine in the work place. the movie business is one where people say goodbye at the wrap and sometimes never see each other again, never work with each other again. on television they're going to see each other for another season. there's an ongoing relationship in the best in tv series enriches everyone's work over time. are you finding now dividends that come just from the familiarity that these actors now have with each other? >> absolutely. yeah. i mean, it starts when i write for them after we've taken a risk together once. christian and amy and the film called "the fighter" and then bradley and jennifer in last
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year's picture "silver linings." i talk to them and it inspires me to write for them. i'm creating a character worthy of their time. i'm auditioning for them which makes me write. i need assignments. i need structure. >> you feel you're auditioning for them? >> yes. >> because you've got to create a character that in effect auditions for them on the page and makes them want to say yes, let's do this. >> i want them to be something they're very excited about proop. >> bradley cooper is now saying all he has to hear is that you're calling and you have a part. he's ready to go as soon as he hears you're in. >> you have to audition for part. >> christian bale is is a magician in your hands. obviously he deserves all the credit for what he does, but i'm fascinated by some of the details in his performance, including the amazing stuff with the hairpiece. how much of that is on the page of the script? how much of that is in the
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director's head. how much did you see of that before christian bale started doing that? >> well, we knew he was going to have a combover because that's what the real person was going to look like. >> but did you know the combover was going to be another character in the movie? >> question sa >> we said it's a metaphor for the movie. i feel when he's constructing himself in that opening sequence, that was a great thing that i wrote as we went into production that i was very excited about. by saying it was great, meaning that we were all very excited about it. i said this is a metaphor that begins the film. you're constructing yourself to face the day and we all do that, everybody does that. that's what excited christian and i about the whole movie. you have cut a special scene just for us to look at here tonight. and let's take a look at it right now. >> it's all good. i just hope to get a part of this is all good. really, because we're real. you know that. you deal with us. we're a real organization.
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we deal with you, we don't know what we're dealing with. where's he from? [ speaking foreign language ] >> there are so many things i love about that scene. why did you want us to look at that? >> well, that's actually a moment -- truth is stranger than fiction sometimes. i would say about half of what we told in this story was true. and the beautiful part of a true story like the abscam story or "the fighter" is you have a hell of a predicament that humans are in right from the beginning. they're struggling to survive and reinvent themselves themselves. it shows their emotional lives. and what they love and how they're surviving and how they're exploding and crying and
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that's a doozy of a predicament. this happens to be something that actually happened. which is too strange to believe. i said to robert de niro, they did meet a guy from the family. their chic did not speak arabic and this guy suddenly started speaking arabic to them. it was actually on a boat that it happened. on yacht. and they just were powdered. they barely got out of there with their asses intact. de niro, he was very meticulous just like jennifer and bradley and amay. they go over everything me ticko tickously. they want to do something different. seen de niro was very exciting. for him to play a gangster we had never seen before. and he kept saying david, did that really happen. he would call me every day. we based his look on two gangsters, one from miami and one from -- nicky, he was the
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one who would leave a body on the street because he thought it sent a stronger message. and he said i think we should do the arabic. i said gosh, i don't know about that, bob. it just seems too crazy to me. but that's what makes it. he memorized it. he said i'm going to learn it, i'm going to learn it. he took great pain in learning all that arabic. and he loved being unbilled in the picture. and we loved seeing audiences be surprised. in berlin, you could see audiences kind of start itering. wait a minute, is that robert de niro. then they burst into spontaneous applause. to see all the actors there stunned. and now they're in much deeper than they were. as this thing exploded sideway, it went into the mob, it went into everybody. the way they worked together is so beautiful to watch. >> it was very exciting for this ensemble to come together and for them to be together. it was exciting for them.
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it's like they're all challenging each other and themselves. >> david, please come back and -- you don't have to wait a year. and you don't have to be nominated. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. for the first time since his re-election, for the first time since those traffic problems if ft. lee, governor christie went face to face with his voters today. the political strategy here was obvious because there are two things that have made chris christie the national political figure that he is. the first are those town halls.

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